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ronald reagan was good at the jokes. you also have to know how to deliver them. >> absolutely. >> you can have great jokes written, but if you say them at the wrong minute it will backfire. >> a couple seconds left. what's your favorite debate moment in history? >> i like 1980 when ronald reagan said, ther said, "there o again." there's a whole wikipedia site on that quote. it allowed ronald reagan to triumph. >> great to talk to you today. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. take care. >> lots to look forward to next week. all right, what would you do for the man or woman you love? up next, how this man made his girlfriend's dream come true. stay with us. [ owner ] i need to expand to meet the needs of my growing business. but how am i going to fund it? and i have to find a way to manage my cash flow better. [ female announcer ] our wells fargo bankers are here to listen, offer guidance and provide you with options tailored to your business. we've loaned more money to small businesses than any other bank for
ronald reagan was good at the jokes. you also have to know how to deliver them. >> absolutely. >> you can have great jokes written, but if you say them at the wrong minute it will backfire. >> a couple seconds left. what's your favorite debate moment in history? >> i like 1980 when ronald reagan said, ther said, "there o again." there's a whole wikipedia site on that quote. it allowed ronald reagan to triumph. >> great to talk to you today. thank you so...
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>> ronald reagan. >> you got it. >> ronald reagan, 1980. >> '84. >> that's right. i think you both get a sticker for that one. ronald reagan in 1984 and obviously, he was at the time 73. he was running against mondale who was 56. cleaned mondale's clock. age was not used against reagan. >>> parker is back. >> nothing but a number. >> nothing but a number. parker is back for the second one. >> i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> jamaal. >> lloyd benson in the vice presidential debate and you remembered it was lloyd benson. good job. >> nerdland for a reason. >> what state, jamaal? >> he was from texas. >> does anybody remember what dan quayle said in response? >> he said that's uncalled for. >> that's exactly it. >> crawl under the podium. >> after the laughing subsided in the crowd. >> that was a pretty good one. >> i think that's my best. >> he's being polite. he's not hitting his bell until she is through. >> here's the next parker video. >> george bush taking credit for the berlin wall coming down is like t
>> ronald reagan. >> you got it. >> ronald reagan, 1980. >> '84. >> that's right. i think you both get a sticker for that one. ronald reagan in 1984 and obviously, he was at the time 73. he was running against mondale who was 56. cleaned mondale's clock. age was not used against reagan. >>> parker is back. >> nothing but a number. >> nothing but a number. parker is back for the second one. >> i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend...
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think about ronald reagan. jimmy carter had a lot of great lines in his debate with ronald reagan in the 1980 debate, but ronald reagan kept saying there you go again. in 1984 walter mondale was beating ronald reagan. but reagan said i'm not going to let age be a determining factor, because my opponent is younger than me and less experienced than me. he used humor and well-timed phrases make a big difference in these debates. >> chris, joe raises an interesting point, the same point that matthew dowd raised in a national journal piece. in preparing for the debates, romney and president obama needs to remember that judgments on winning or losing are much more stylistic than substantive. the public isn't interested in getting more detail-specific policy, but in getting pointers about people on stage. when debates have moved in the numbers in the past, it's been result the impressions, mannerisms, style. is it going to be all about style trumping substance? >> he's partly right. he debates especially when you see
think about ronald reagan. jimmy carter had a lot of great lines in his debate with ronald reagan in the 1980 debate, but ronald reagan kept saying there you go again. in 1984 walter mondale was beating ronald reagan. but reagan said i'm not going to let age be a determining factor, because my opponent is younger than me and less experienced than me. he used humor and well-timed phrases make a big difference in these debates. >> chris, joe raises an interesting point, the same point that...
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bush did and what ronald reagan did. >> there is one element of truth. did the deduction side. the truth is the entire thing is up to congress. the president proposes the notion of the way that he should go. the side thea that he can stand up there and not tell anyone in america what he will veto if congress tries to do their mortgage deduction is a complete altercation of it. >> in which what you are supposed to do as a president is tell the american people and i guess congress the popular part of what you would do but it would be overstepping to sell to them the tough parts required to make it work. and if the president isn't going to be able to go out and get support for the hard parts. the tax cut part, that is the easy bit. >> thank you for joining me tonight. >> coming up, paul ryan keeps saying it takes too long to explain the math of his budget plan. but i think joe biden will let him have all the time that he needs let's week and later it is mitt romney versus big bird and in the rewrite what really happened in that debate last night. [ female announcer ] with swiffer
bush did and what ronald reagan did. >> there is one element of truth. did the deduction side. the truth is the entire thing is up to congress. the president proposes the notion of the way that he should go. the side thea that he can stand up there and not tell anyone in america what he will veto if congress tries to do their mortgage deduction is a complete altercation of it. >> in which what you are supposed to do as a president is tell the american people and i guess congress the...
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when you put machine up against ronald reagan. they will fail because it is ronald reagan. let mitt romney have his moment and applaud him and not try to tie him to the past but look to the future. >> why do people say you need that phrase and sentence in a debate that can be remembered for people going forward for the generation toz come. why do you have to have that pivotal moment. >> they are the game changer. whether the age issue with mondale there you go again . are you better off today than you are four years ago in great moments. different time and place that we are in than we were back in 1980 even though there are many similarities. society is different today than it was back in the 1980s. and so we have to change and understand it from that view point. >> let me ask you going forward, what are your expectations as mitt romney prepares for his next big face off with the president? >> he can't have a down moment. i think what happened we see it in the polls. you see the polls change things are getting closer and mitt romney is in the lead. people saw them for the f
when you put machine up against ronald reagan. they will fail because it is ronald reagan. let mitt romney have his moment and applaud him and not try to tie him to the past but look to the future. >> why do people say you need that phrase and sentence in a debate that can be remembered for people going forward for the generation toz come. why do you have to have that pivotal moment. >> they are the game changer. whether the age issue with mondale there you go again . are you better...
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when ronald reagan ran for office, he laid out the principles he was going to foster. he said he was going to lower tax rates. he said he was going to broaden the base. have you said the same thing, simplify the tax code, broaden the base. i want to bring down the tax burden on middle-income families. i will work with congress to say, what are the ways to bring down deductions? one way would be to have a single number -- make up a number, 25,000 -- 50,000, anybody can have deductions up to that amount. and that number disappears for high-income people. one could follow bowl etion-simpson and make deductions that way. there are alternatives to the objective i have, which is to bring down rate, broaden the base, simplify the code and create incentives for growth. with regard to health care, you have remarkable details with regard to my pre-existing plan. you studied up on my plan. i do have a plan for pre-existing conditions. what we did in massachusetts is a model for the nation -- state by state. i said that at that time. the federal government taking over health care
when ronald reagan ran for office, he laid out the principles he was going to foster. he said he was going to lower tax rates. he said he was going to broaden the base. have you said the same thing, simplify the tax code, broaden the base. i want to bring down the tax burden on middle-income families. i will work with congress to say, what are the ways to bring down deductions? one way would be to have a single number -- make up a number, 25,000 -- 50,000, anybody can have deductions up to that...
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ronald reagan did that, bill clinton did it. but this idea that we can't do it and certainly when pundits say further candidate should even touch it tomorrow night, that gets to the core of the problem. >>guest: that is exactly correct. this is the issue. all the issues that we are talking about in the economy are encompassed inside the national debt argument. you can get rid of the unfunded liabilities, as well, just the way we did with social security under ronald reagan by tending the age of retirement, by reducing benefits, by subjecting half of them to the income tax. there are lots of things you can do to bring this economy back and fairly quickly in two terms you could bring it back the way reagan did. >>neil: the fact is you cannot buy your way out it. you have to boom your way out of it. thank you, art. >> in washington, dc, talk of a plan to keep the government from going off an immediate fiscal cliff because if nothing is done, tax bill per household could jump an average of $3,500. now to washington, dc, with latest
ronald reagan did that, bill clinton did it. but this idea that we can't do it and certainly when pundits say further candidate should even touch it tomorrow night, that gets to the core of the problem. >>guest: that is exactly correct. this is the issue. all the issues that we are talking about in the economy are encompassed inside the national debt argument. you can get rid of the unfunded liabilities, as well, just the way we did with social security under ronald reagan by tending the...
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that's not the way -- that ronald reagan negotiated. that's know the way i have ever negotiated. >> greta: you imagine president clinton, his name came up twice with president obama, using him as an example. should he -- is that a fair comparison, comparing himself with president clinton? >> well, as you know, president clinton has a very good approval rating. but to compare what he has done in our failure in this fiscal cliff and sequestration wees are facing to what president clinton did, after he lost in the off-year lec elections, he sat down with bob dole and newt gingrich and they reform welfare and put themselves on a path to a balanced budget. the same way that ronald reagan did with tip o'neill. they sat down and they negotiated. this president doesn't do that. and that's, in my view, something that has caused huge frustration amongst the american people. why last night he said, well... the reason why we don't go across the aisle is because have you to say no sometimes? is that the basis of it? i don't think so. >> greta: you k
that's not the way -- that ronald reagan negotiated. that's know the way i have ever negotiated. >> greta: you imagine president clinton, his name came up twice with president obama, using him as an example. should he -- is that a fair comparison, comparing himself with president clinton? >> well, as you know, president clinton has a very good approval rating. but to compare what he has done in our failure in this fiscal cliff and sequestration wees are facing to what president...
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what i do is the same way ronald reagan worked some years ago. he laid out the principles he was going to foster. he said he will lower tax rates. he said he would broaden the base. you have said the same thing. will simplify the tax code, broaden the base. i will work together with congress to say, ok, what are the various ways we can bring down deductions. one way would be to have a single number. make up a number. $25,000, $50,000. anybody could have deductions for that amount. that is one way that could do pt. one could follow bulls-ssmpson as a model. -- bowles-simpson as a model. simplify the code and create incentives for growth. with regard to health care, you have remarkable details with resort -- with regards to my pre-existing condition plan.+ you have obviously studied my plan. i do have a plan with people with pre-existing conditions. as part of my health care plan. what we did with massaccusetts is a model for the nation state by state. i said the federal government taking over the health care for the entire nation and whisking asid
what i do is the same way ronald reagan worked some years ago. he laid out the principles he was going to foster. he said he will lower tax rates. he said he would broaden the base. you have said the same thing. will simplify the tax code, broaden the base. i will work together with congress to say, ok, what are the various ways we can bring down deductions. one way would be to have a single number. make up a number. $25,000, $50,000. anybody could have deductions for that amount. that is one...
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what i do is the same way that tip o'neil and ronald reagan worked together some years ago, when ronald reagan ran for office he laid out the principles he was going to foster. he said he was going to lower tax rates. he said he was going to broaden the base. you said the same thing. you're going to simplify the tax code, broaden the base. those are my principles i want to bring down the tax burden on middle-income families and i want to work with congress to say what are the various ways we can wring down deductions. one way would be to have a single number. make up a number, $25,000, $50,000. anybody can have deduction up to that amount. and then that number disappears for high-income people. that's one way one could do it. one could follow bowles-simpson and take deduction by deduction. there are alternatives to pleas the objective i have which is tow bring down rates, broaden the base, simplify the code, and create incentives for growth. with regards to health care, you had remarkable details with regard to my reexisting conditions plan. you obviously studied up on my plan. in fact
what i do is the same way that tip o'neil and ronald reagan worked together some years ago, when ronald reagan ran for office he laid out the principles he was going to foster. he said he was going to lower tax rates. he said he was going to broaden the base. you said the same thing. you're going to simplify the tax code, broaden the base. those are my principles i want to bring down the tax burden on middle-income families and i want to work with congress to say what are the various ways we...
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ronald reagan's perspective has dominated republicans' thoughts on this matter for years. >> we have a different approach, the president and i, between a government-dominated society and a society driven by free people pursuing their dreams. >> reporter: romney insists the federal government should be smaller and less intrusive in terms of regulations and taxes and largely it should keep out of the free market. >> i line up with a smaller government, a less intrusive government, regulations being pared back. >> such views on both sides of course can make a difference. but here is the catch. for the past century, with a few exceptions, the government has been expanding no matter which party has held the white house. more cabinet positions, more agencies, more spending per citizen and much of that is driven by things like we menged at the start. population growth, economic trends and entitlements, meaning the question is probably not whether the government will keep growing under mr. obama or mr. romney, but rather how fast. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >>> child sex trafficking, thos
ronald reagan's perspective has dominated republicans' thoughts on this matter for years. >> we have a different approach, the president and i, between a government-dominated society and a society driven by free people pursuing their dreams. >> reporter: romney insists the federal government should be smaller and less intrusive in terms of regulations and taxes and largely it should keep out of the free market. >> i line up with a smaller government, a less intrusive...
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the way tip o'neil and ronald reagan worked together. ronald reagan laid out the principles he was going to foster, lower tax rates, broaden the base, you said the same thing. simplify the tax code, broaden the base. those are my principles, i want to bring down the tax burden on middle income families. i want to work with congress on bringing down deductions. we could have a single number, $25,000, $50,000, anybody can have deductions up to that amount. and then the deductions disappear after that you could follow bowles-simpson and do it deduction by deduction. we need to bring down rates, broaden the base, simplify the code and create incentives for growth. with regard to health care, you had remarkable details with regard to my preexisting condition plan. you studied up on my plan. i do deal with people with preexisting conditions, that's part of my health care plan. what we did in massachusetts is a model for the nation state by state. and i said that at that time. the federal government, taking over health care for the entire natio
the way tip o'neil and ronald reagan worked together. ronald reagan laid out the principles he was going to foster, lower tax rates, broaden the base, you said the same thing. simplify the tax code, broaden the base. those are my principles, i want to bring down the tax burden on middle income families. i want to work with congress on bringing down deductions. we could have a single number, $25,000, $50,000, anybody can have deductions up to that amount. and then the deductions disappear after...
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the tagline is, re-elect ronald reagan. i said, are you kidding me that? that is blatant, blatant and good. you may think it's corny, but let's face it, you think everything's corny, okay, but if you can get an image like that it really matters. >> ed rollins was reagan's campaign manager. >> two kinds of monitoring you make in a campaign. one is an intellectual argument and one is an emotional argument. >> when beckle ran mondale's campaign, he saw this ad. >> where's the beef? >> wendy's was trying to convince people their hamburgers had more beef. >> where's the beef? >> you were home watching tv with your girlfriend and saw this ad. >> yeah. i saw the ad. my girlfriend said to me, that reminds me of gary hart. what's he all about? all of a sudden, it clicked. >> this is not polling, just a comment from a girlfriend. >> that's right. >> you probably liked her too much. >> no, no. i didn't actually. that triggered in my mind something that made some sense, we could put on the next poll. we put it on a poll, it tested well. >> so mondale used it in a deba
the tagline is, re-elect ronald reagan. i said, are you kidding me that? that is blatant, blatant and good. you may think it's corny, but let's face it, you think everything's corny, okay, but if you can get an image like that it really matters. >> ed rollins was reagan's campaign manager. >> two kinds of monitoring you make in a campaign. one is an intellectual argument and one is an emotional argument. >> when beckle ran mondale's campaign, he saw this ad. >> where's...
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. >> al gore: i think the single best line is when ronald reagan said i'm not going to make an issue of age and hold my opponent's age against him. great good humor, funny, but it ended the race. >> cenk: yeah to the point we were discussing earlier about substance, you know, one of the most memorable moments was when george hw bush looked at his watch. here we go. >> i'm jim lehrer and i welcome you to the first of the 2012 presidential debates between president barack obama, the democratic nominee, and form massachusetts governor mitt romney, the republican nominee. this debate as the next three, two presidential one vice presidential are sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. tonight's 90 minutes will be about domestic issues and will follow a format designed by the commission. there will be six roughly 15 minute segments. thousands of people offered suggestions on segment subjects but i made the final selections and for the record they were not submitted for approval to the commission or the candidates. the segments will be three on the economy and one each on healt
. >> al gore: i think the single best line is when ronald reagan said i'm not going to make an issue of age and hold my opponent's age against him. great good humor, funny, but it ended the race. >> cenk: yeah to the point we were discussing earlier about substance, you know, one of the most memorable moments was when george hw bush looked at his watch. here we go. >> i'm jim lehrer and i welcome you to the first of the 2012 presidential debates between president barack obama,...
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here's one of the most famous debate responds of all time, then governor ronald reagan and president jimmy carter. will we see a similar moment this time around? >> governor reagan again, typically is against such a proposal. >> governor, there you go again. ♪ leaving my homeland ♪ pling a lone hand ♪ my life begins today ♪ ♪ fly by night away from here ♪ ♪ change my life again ♪ ♪ fly by night, goodbye my dear ♪ ♪ my ship isn't coming ♪ and i just can't pretend oww! ♪ [ male announcer ] careful, you're no longer invisible in a midsize sedan. the volkswagen passat. the 2012 motor trend car of the year. that's the power of german engineering. droid does. and does it launch apps by voice while learning your voice ? launch cab4me. droid does. keep left at the fork. does it do turn-by-turn navigation ? droid does. with verizon, america's largest 4g lte network, and motorola, droid does. get $100 off select motorola 4g lte smartphones like the droid razr. for the spender who needs a little help saving. for adding "& sons." for the dreamer, planning an early escap
here's one of the most famous debate responds of all time, then governor ronald reagan and president jimmy carter. will we see a similar moment this time around? >> governor reagan again, typically is against such a proposal. >> governor, there you go again. ♪ leaving my homeland ♪ pling a lone hand ♪ my life begins today ♪ ♪ fly by night away from here ♪ ♪ change my life again ♪ ♪ fly by night, goodbye my dear ♪ ♪ my ship isn't coming ♪ and i just can't...
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. >> ronald reagan himself said. >> it doesn't work that way. neil: thank you, sir. well, it sounds like simpson-bowles and it smells like simpson-bowles. it even has the same savings, almost exact savings as simpson-bowles. why more than a year later our senators coming up with a pistol clip avoiding measure that is pretty much simpson-bowles? rachel quit the corporate grind to start her own interior design business. she's got a growing list of clients she keeps in touch with using e-mail marketing from constantcontact.com. constantcontact is easy and affordable. it lets her send out updates and photos that showcase her expertise and inspire her customers for only $15 a month. [ dog barking ] her dream -- to be the area's hottest interior design office. [ children laughing ] right now, she just dreams of an office. get a free trial at constantcontact.com. i took my son fishing every year. we had a great spot, not easy to find, but worth it. but with copd making it hard to breathe, i thought those days might be over. so my doctor prescribed symbicort. it helps signif
. >> ronald reagan himself said. >> it doesn't work that way. neil: thank you, sir. well, it sounds like simpson-bowles and it smells like simpson-bowles. it even has the same savings, almost exact savings as simpson-bowles. why more than a year later our senators coming up with a pistol clip avoiding measure that is pretty much simpson-bowles? rachel quit the corporate grind to start her own interior design business. she's got a growing list of clients she keeps in touch with using...
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what i do, the same way that tip o'neil and ronald reagan worked together some years ago. when ronald reagan ran for office, he laid out the principles that he was going to follow. he said he was going to lower taxes and broaden the base. you've said the same thing, those are my principles, i want to bring down the tax burden middle income families. i want to work together with congress. one way for instance would be to have a single number, make up a number. $25,000, $50,000. anybody can have deductions up to that amount. and then the number disappears for high-income people. one could follow bowles-simpson as a model. there are alternatives to accomplish the objective i have, which is to bring down rates, broaden the base, simplify the code and create incentives for growth. and with regards to health care you had remarkable detail with regards to my preexisting conditions plan. you've obviously studied up on my plan. in fact i do have a plan that deals with people with preexisting conditions. that's part of my plan. and what we did in massachusetts is a model for the nat
what i do, the same way that tip o'neil and ronald reagan worked together some years ago. when ronald reagan ran for office, he laid out the principles that he was going to follow. he said he was going to lower taxes and broaden the base. you've said the same thing, those are my principles, i want to bring down the tax burden middle income families. i want to work together with congress. one way for instance would be to have a single number, make up a number. $25,000, $50,000. anybody can have...
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. >> ronald reagan himself said. >> it doesn't work that way. neil: thank you, sir. well, it sounds like simpson-bowles and it smells like simpson-bowles. it even has the same savings, almost exact savings as simpson-bowles. why more than a year later our senators coming up with a pistol clip avoiding measure that is pretty much simpson-bowles? follow the wings. neil: think of it as them symbols without the simpson were the simpson-bowles. there he tax increases that collectively shaved about $4 trillion over the next decade. that is the same plan that they all but had last year. and the automatic spending cuts that sink in as of now at the end of this year. here is what i find most striking. it is almost identical to the deck commission plan of the house and senate, all but relegated to collecting dust last year. no matter, at least they are entertaining series is now. the question now is who signs up? a big problem last year and i suspect it is election year and an even bigger problem last year. still, the election is not too far away and hope springs eternal for p
. >> ronald reagan himself said. >> it doesn't work that way. neil: thank you, sir. well, it sounds like simpson-bowles and it smells like simpson-bowles. it even has the same savings, almost exact savings as simpson-bowles. why more than a year later our senators coming up with a pistol clip avoiding measure that is pretty much simpson-bowles? follow the wings. neil: think of it as them symbols without the simpson were the simpson-bowles. there he tax increases that collectively...
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. >> you talked about ronald reagan being a transformative political leader. i did not mention his name. >> well, i'm here, he's not. >> i can't tell who i'm running against sometimes. >> last night the president's most heated exchange may have been with the moderator, jim lehrer instead of romney. >> the last point i'd make before -- >> two minutes is up, sir. >> no, i had five seconds before you interrupted me. >> the preparation team, i believe, did not serve him well, but they have a chance to get it right over the next two presidential debates. this is still a very, very close race and a lot could happen in the four and a half weeks until the election. >>> by the way, you can already see a difference in the president today. he came out swinging in front of a massive crowd in wisconsin, just a little while ago. our chief white house correspondent jessica yellin is traveling with the president. jessica, we saw a very different president obama today than we saw last night. >> wolf, we sure did. today it was do over obama using some of the comebacks he missed
. >> you talked about ronald reagan being a transformative political leader. i did not mention his name. >> well, i'm here, he's not. >> i can't tell who i'm running against sometimes. >> last night the president's most heated exchange may have been with the moderator, jim lehrer instead of romney. >> the last point i'd make before -- >> two minutes is up, sir. >> no, i had five seconds before you interrupted me. >> the preparation team, i...
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it's going to have to be tweaked the way it was by ronald reagan and speaker, democratic speaker tip o'neal. >> according to the congressional budget office, social security will run into financial trouble. by the year 2030 the amount social security pays out will exceed the tax revenue coming in. so, chris, in about 20 years the program will not be able to pay for itself. >> thank you for that, richard. we'll take a quick break, come back and let our panel weigh in on the medicare debate. we'll be right back. let's see if walmart can help you find the same look for less. okay. see? walmart has all these leading eyewear brands and styles. rockstar! really? yeah. oh, wow! oh, black frame looks good on you. yeah? you can get a complete pair starting at just -- $38. really?! and did you know that our glasses come with a free 12-month replacement guarantee? i didn't know walmart had all this. the price is impressive, the quality is too! come to walmart and see for yourself. find quality eyewear brands starting at just $38. only at walmart. what are they fitting, aliens? now we need a lit
it's going to have to be tweaked the way it was by ronald reagan and speaker, democratic speaker tip o'neal. >> according to the congressional budget office, social security will run into financial trouble. by the year 2030 the amount social security pays out will exceed the tax revenue coming in. so, chris, in about 20 years the program will not be able to pay for itself. >> thank you for that, richard. we'll take a quick break, come back and let our panel weigh in on the medicare...
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it's not easy to beat an incumbent president, and mitt romney is no ronald reagan or bill clinton. >> when you he an incumbent president with 8% unemployment, it's very difficult to win. romney has proven to be the worst candidate we've seen in perhaps 30, 40 years. i go back to steve's memory now when we get into 50, 60, 70 years. i agree with what's said including your points about mccain. if romney ran in '08 as he is now, obviously he did run in '08 and it didn't work out with him. one day we blame romney, and we've seen a lot of blame for romney throughout the campaign. one day blaming the polling and liberal media. i think that's a stretch. when do we look at the ideology and the difficult sell that is for the american people. when you have a party where the conventional wisdom is that this is a party that is here for the rich to serve the rich and the corporations, that's a very difficult sell. i don't know that chris christie, regular guy, could sell that better. i don't know if rick santorum can sell that better than what we've seen already. >> well, obviously, there's 39, 38
it's not easy to beat an incumbent president, and mitt romney is no ronald reagan or bill clinton. >> when you he an incumbent president with 8% unemployment, it's very difficult to win. romney has proven to be the worst candidate we've seen in perhaps 30, 40 years. i go back to steve's memory now when we get into 50, 60, 70 years. i agree with what's said including your points about mccain. if romney ran in '08 as he is now, obviously he did run in '08 and it didn't work out with him....